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December 6, 2004

Also, just some feedback, your program is very good but a little complicated. I think many people do not use all the features it has and may be a little intimidated trying to figure out what everything does (I know I was). I think if you had a simplified version like IB's tower that a user can add complexity to as they get more comfortable with the features, then you may get more users.
 

I know FT is complicated for someone using it for the first time.
And I'm sorry, that this is the case, but FT is the trading platform I myself use for my daily trading.
I'm a trader first and a software developper second.
There are a few easy to use trading platforms and frontends for IB available, and these are the ones most users prefer.
I understand this, and it was never my intention to compete with these platforms.

FT has unique features not found on other platforms and I will continue to implement new ideas I have, which might give me an edge in this very competitive business in my real trading. Some of these might be dead ends for me, but they remain in the program, as someone else might use them for his/her trading, even if I no longer use it. So the program gets more and more complex, but as everything is put into different windows, it takes no processing power to have it in, if you don't use it.

EG: The spreadtrade function sure can give you an edge, but it's not my way of trading, so I don't use it. But I know, there are some very successfully scalping using the spreadtrade function.
On the other hand I rely heavily on knowing where the cash market is, when I trade currency futures and FT has a whole bunch of features available supporting me here, which goes from a FX cash window to showing me the corresponding cash prices when I place limit orders in the futures or showing me, when cash and futures diverge from one another creating arbitrage opportunities.

The latest project in development is the linking of my chartsignals into FT to be able to trade signals when they appear on the chart.
And right now I'm developping a module which will follow these tradesignals in realtime, so I can have the necessary statistic which will tell me, whether and how far my chartsignals are to be trusted or not.
I don't think backtesting has any value at all. History is history and repeats itself only when it does. But following a real market tick by tick and building the statistics necessary for evaluation of a tradesystem by following the tradesignals in realtime, that's something different altogether. Sure it will give you just a statistic valid for certain market conditions only, but to tell you if an intraday-tradesystem is working that's sufficient for me.

I'm a discretionary trader in that I don't trade every signal I see for different reasons. But if I had a statistic, which showed me, that trade management would take good care of each and every tradesignal sent to FT, I would consider taking a lot more signals actually starting to use a monkey doing the trading for me. It's just one additional button, which will turn the Chart Signal receiver (Chart Alarm window) into a fully automated trading system, but as long as I have no statistic, that I can do it, this button will not be added.

Sure if there are FT users which know already that they have a good trading system and they ask me now to enable FT for automatic trading, I have no problem with that and would add this button earlier. Or someone steps forward and tells me, Chris why don't you try this or that approach, change the Layout here to make it a lot more user friendly. Of course the filter which every idea has to pass through is my thinking, that the idea has merits, that it makes sense, that it simplifies my trading. But that's the same process I do with my own ideas as well.

Latest change to the Layout was a change in the multi tradedesk after I hit the wrong button in the heat of the battle. As I always trade real, this cost me and it told me, Chris, the Layout has to be changed, as it is confusing. And that's what I did. And this change was published on the website just hours later, after I had tested it to work here in real trading.

My main business is not software development or selling more copies of FT, my business is trading and I want a software supporting me totally in my trading. If I have an idea during the day, which looks promising, I often start implementing them after markets. This makes FT complex, but noone needs to use everything. Sometimes I myself start using new features months after I actually implemented them, because only then I made the necessary step in my development as trader to be able to use a functionality. That's the way I do things here. FT users always get the same build I use for my own trading. This means if I made an error or introduced a bug and you updated to this build you have the same bug, but once I know about a problem I see to solve it asap, if possible or find a workaround until the bug is fixed.

Relaxed trading to you,

Chris
 

 

 

 

 

 

July 1st, 2004

Hey croc
 
         After being with FT for a year and trying some other front ends i'm back happily :).
 
Russ Burton

 

 

  "Ton of features, great support" - karabugla March 25, 2004   6:17 AM  
 
Reliability
Ease of Use
Performance
Documentation
Worth the Money


 


I can understand when George Sorros speaks of a missing redesign, since for first time users the program will be a bit confusing. It definately takes some days ´til you get a feeling for the handling (best is to stay in DEMO mode as one wrong click in REAL mode will cost you money :-)).

But once you´ve worked with it and know how to handle all the different ways of entering / changing / deleting orders, it is an extremly efficient order plattform. I use 'the tower' (DOME) almost exclusively and I´m 100% satisfied with the speed and reliability of the program.

 

 

   
 "Great IB Front End, Great Support, Excellent Value" - ssternlight February 02, 2004   6:14 PM  
 
Reliability
Ease of Use
Performance
Documentation
Worth the Money


 


I have been using FT for the around 9 months now. I am very satisfied with it and it has paid for itself many times over.

Instruments: Works on bonds, currencies, index futures, equities, whatever.

Support: The author has always been highly responsive and readily available for questions or suggestions for improvement. I have had ideas implemented within a day on several occassions. Since he trades for a living too, he stands behind -- and in front of -- his product.

That responsiveness and reliability has made it possible to work as a trader rather than a software beta tester. In 9 months of using numerous upgrades, I haven't had one significant issue with order entry or management.

Data Feeds: I use the IB data feed with FT but it also supports Esignal for those that want tick by tick data -- and don't mind paying for it. :) You can run playbacks with Ensign as well if you want to test technique or a new trading tactic.

Order Management: FT has the usual setups for breakout, fade, market maker, or just plain trend following styles with bracketed or trailing stops and targets. You can add and subtract contracts or shares incrementally and set multiple targets. You can also run multiple instances of it without being charged as if that was an extra "feature."

FT is flexible enough to fire off orders at the end of a bar or wait until the size on bid/offer reduces to a predetermined level and then fire the order off. As a result, I have gotten much better entries and in some cases avoided trades that would have been losers -- as size never came down to trigger level and price moved away.

Another nice feature is that FT will pre-enter exits while waiting for the initial entry to occur -- improving chances of getting an early fill on those quick bond scalps for example.

Interface: I find the tower(dome) to be quite intuitive and easy to use once you get going. It is my preferred setup. I find it easy to modify stops and targets while in a trade. However, you can customize the layout to include whatever features/footprint you want or create multiple ones... Some setups include tick and trin as part of the heads up display -- for ym traders for example. Another includes the daily cash/futures spread -- for currency traders. You could use the mini candle chart if you don't have any other charting package or just wanted to conserve space.

Conclusion: FT has helped me tremendously with my trading -- from setting targets to money management. I recommend it highly for any serious intraday trader.

 

 

   
Futures-Trader Review: Thank you George Soros

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After adding a lot of features to its product without a redesign it can now offer coffee, clean your house and repair your car :-) It remembers me of ICQ.
Clearly needs a redesign, a proper documentation and also some useful features like Friend&Family account support. Author has been also proven to be not openminded to new suggestions.
George Soros, 2/2/04

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A redesign, when you can switch off all the bells and whistles and have only what you need on the screen?

I think in the last months I added not one feature, which has to be used or can not be switched off (there are some exceptions, but I would neverever give away the time advantage the Fast Order entry system gives me. And if you don't use it, you sure will not mind the 1 extra button)

But George is correct, when he says Futures-Trader can do a lot of things. Why?
Because I added all the stuff real day-traders, sitting in front of their computers day in and out, asked me to add to make their day easier. Sure, if you switch everything on in Futures-Trader it looks complicated, but no one expects to fly a starfighter without flight training.
Switch everything off, use the basics and then start looking around, that's the way to do it.

But if you can fly a starfighter, you expect one to fly. And you want to fly it the way you like it, with the instruments you like and the layout you like.

I'm not the great trader, I'm just a day-trader able to program my own frontend. And a lot of things found in Futures-Trader are just that.
My ideas often come when I find some task too cumbersome or too slow or too repetitive. Then I try to think about ways to improve them and how to put this to work in Futures-Trader.

I ask on my website for your comments and ideas.
I have asked in my Futures-Trader thread, which George Soros closed, for your ideas. If possible these get added.

Sure, I have to live, so if someone askes for the moon or a strategy, which will make him big money, I will not add it for free. I never said I would. But I have customers who are more than willing to pay for their ideas to be implemented. Why. Because if it is unique and works, it remains unique and continues to work.

Some ideas I will not do as a paid job. Like adding a Friends and Family account support. Why? Because it would be bad business for me, if I made something this general unique.
On the other hand: Who trades friends and family accounts? Not someone, who has 5.000$ in his account and has to turn every dime. Adding an FA account support means he or she is trading in bigger lots.
Still I see no suggestion from George asking for FA support in my emails.
I had some people asking in December for FA support until the end of december and I answered them, I will most likely do it, after I added support for trading multiple contracts in Futures-Trader.

I think this makes sense, as if you have an FA account, you often have multiple positions open, so to add the latter makes no sense without having the first step completed.

And the first step takes me longer than anticipated. Why: Because I want to do it in a way a daytrader can use it.
Meaning, the order entry screen is placed right below your chart, and everything works from there. But with all the bells and whistles I got used to in the 2 years Futures-Trader is now my own trading platform, it is not a 2 day job to implement.

So FA accounts will come, but as long as I'm not paid to do it, it will come in my time.

I'm a one man show, I'm a developper and daytrader and I need to live. So the documentation is not what you might be used to reading other professional documentations, where a lot of people took a lot of time to write it. But it does the job, and I'm here or in WoodiesCCIclub nearly daily to answer your questions or help you along, if you have questions.

So to come to an end:

I invite you to test Futures-Trader (www.futures-trader.net)
and please tell me what you specifically not like, what you miss, what ideas you have.

I don't think we will find the holy grail, but having the USS Enterprise to trade the market, would be sufficient for me.

Best regards,

Chris

 

Hi--
 
I used FT demo for about 60 days, then went "real" about 30 days ago.  I use limit and stop-limit orders...sometimes market orders.  Demo seems to fill slower than "real."  Whatever method is used to simulate fills, it is conservative, which is good.  As you correctly state, the real demon in "real" trading is the emotional baggage you bring into the trading arena.  FT is great in terms of refining and building, and testing your system using DEMO, but that isn't the biggest hurdle to success in my experience.  If you are successful trading ZB using DEMO, you have 20% of the battle won.  Conquer all your "personal" issues or learn to never, ever allow them to impact on your trading and you'll be okay.  And when those demons do cause you to move stops, take profits too early, hesitate on entries, etc., then take it easy on yourself, be honest with yourself about what happened (no denial, rationalization, or ego please), and re-progr! am yourself. 
 
I used to think I needed a better system, to read five more books, attend a few more seminars, etc.  Then I needed more screens, computers, better software...blah, blah, blah.  Today, I traded ER2 using a DELL laptop (one screen) while on holiday. I had three charts with a few indicators and IB TWS (couldn't get FT loaded on laptop).  I found that less is more.  I was more narrowly focused on a few indicators and price, traded better, and with less anxiety.  When I get home, I'll certainly use FT, but will also simplify my dispalys. 
 
FT is a great product....good trading,
 
Michael, 11/4/2003

 

Sometimes I get a question, whether Futures-Trader is reliable, absolutly stable and has no bugs. Bob has the answer to this, and I can only promise to take every bugreport I get serious and provide a fix for it asap:

Chris,
 
I come from many years of IT.  During the early eighties, a friend of mine brougt to our project (we were rewriting a MasterCharge Online authorization system) team a document about thourghly testing.  The document had originally been drafted by a MIT Information Technology Professor so that programmers could give it to their managers when the manager asked them if they "thourghly tested their programs"
 
The document consisted of a page of decision points (flow charts for you old timers).  The decision points were simple yes/or no decisions.  After making a yes (or no) choice, you would follow that respective line (yes or no) until you got to the next decision point.  You would make another yes or no decision and continue the process  until you were at the bottome of the page.  There (as I remember it) ertr only 20 or so decision points on the entire page.
 
A normal program may have many more decision points and here in lies the problem...as proven mathimatically by the MIT professor:  ..
 
If you were to take that one page I just told you about, and make ONE  test case for EACH POSSIBLE PATH through all the decisions points, you could have run ONE TEST CASE EVERY MINUTE FROM THE DAY CHRIST DIED AND YOU WOULD STILL ONLY BE HALF DONE WITH THE TOTAL NUMBER OF POSSIBLE TEST CASES TODAY!
 
So Chris, when people ask you if you have throurghly tested FT, just chuckle a little bit, and then remember that Professor at MIT and just say sure.
 
Keep the releases coming bro, keep em coming.
 
Bob 5/19/2003
 

Chris,

Thanks for fixing the problem so quickly. Your awesome.  Guess there is no way to test whether the stop moves to BE when profit tgt is achieved until mkt opens Monday.

Unfortunately, I threw away the email error messages.  If it happens again I will forward it to you. I do know it was for croc1964@futures-trader.net

Thanks,

Doug 9/27/03

 -----Original Message-----
From: croc1964@futures-trader.net [mailto:croc1964@futures-trader.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 1:40 PM
To: Doug
Subject: RE: 2.39 question

 

Doug,

the attached should solve your problems.
At least I hope so, as I found no more problems on the long or short side with profit protection

Regards,

Chris

Hi Chris
Just a note to let you know that I think this latest version of Futures Trader is great.
And I have no doubt that it will just get better, like a fine bottle of wine.
Keep up the great work.
Best Hundred bucks I have spent on trading yet!

 

Steve 9/5/03

 

Chris,
 
The best just gets better, congrats!
 
 
 
 
Bob (RTS Trading) 9/4/2003